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| I'll be on the area's best morning news talk program, "Real News with Rick Outzen," at 7:00 tomorrow morning. LOTS of big news to discuss and I will be prepared to discuss it all with Rick. Tune in live! |
I've been invited to appear tomorrow morning at 0700 on the area's best, highest rated, most-trusted, least biased, least opinionated and most relevant morning-drive news program---"Real News with Rick Outzen" on the area's best news talk station--1370 WCOA.
I am certain we will discuss recent court rulings regarding the theft of county property, the upcoming board meeting next Thursday, recent happenings in the OLF 8 sale negotiations, The HUGE opening of the regional CRF facility in Escambia County, the Children's Trust/CRA issue, the upcoming primary election, and any/all other topics of interest Rick wants to discuss.
Tune in live at 7:00 AM.
It will be a very good discussion with LOTS of information passed.
I'll post the podcast here once Rick publishes it.
28 comments:
Oh boy, don’t tell me, you’re going to use the county to file an appeal!!! Lol 😂
Good thing you never walked point in ‘Nam, you’d get the whole platoon wiped out in an ambush! 🤡
Kangaroo--no need for an appeal. You obviously don't know how this works but this initial order is nothing more than the Judge's response to our initial filing for what is considered an extraordinary remedy, the pre-judgment writ of replevin. This is not the final order, and from here the case, the civil lawsuit, moves forward with discovery, depositions, and interrogatories and ultimately a trial. The civil lawsuit moves forward from here. I guess you didn't know that. Now you do. I guess, to use your analogy, you'd be the guy in your platoon, mistakenly believing you were out of danger, running a victory lap prematurely and through a minefield where you'd be the one to step on an anti-tank mine and blow yourself up. Be careful about taking premature victory laps.
The first emperor has no clothes! Tick tock Jeff
10:29, Same emoticons, childish strings of exclamation points, verbiage, and deranged stolen valor warfare metaphors as that whacked out Cody Garner account on ECW. Who actually takes the cake for being even more of a nut job than Arduini.
As the judge has given room for the County to bring back the replevin at a later time, he has actually left pretty clear instructions for exactly what he would have liked to see per the replevin. In addition, it would be helpful if somebody in the County attorney's office would get with tech experts to understand what we keep trying to get across--that any thumb drive has the history of every machine it has been plugged into. So the thumb drive that Jonathan has bragged to the press about will have a history of its usage and the metadata will not be the same content as the County holds. (If he actually ever received a thumb drive rather than hosted access.)
Teresa Hill, not sure if you read Commissioner Bergosh's blog. But if you do, while you're at it with your "transparency" and "criminals' rights" party over on Jacqueline's site, could we see the receipts for the van you rented to schlep homeless people out from under the bridge and dump them at Beggs Lane that day with Melissa Marie Johnson? I'm sure you saved the public record on that to share with us, right?
The hypocrisy is just mind blowing. I suppose she would also enjoy it if the City hacker got ahold of other people's private and/or sensitive information as well. Just not hers, her mom's, or her daughters private medical records, tax information, and finances while her mom was a City Council member. Got it.
Meanwhile Singley is reporting it as if the "public record" is what the County is contesting. No, John, it is the private property combined with the public record that is *protected* that is contested. But then I suspect you're probably well aware of that.
Bat shit crazy JB defended my BSC MP
"Is there stored information on a USB flash drive about which computers it has interacted with?
Not on the USB drive. In fact, the USB drive identifies itself to the computer, but the computer doesn’t identify itself to the USB drive, so the USB drive doesn’t actually know which computer it’s talking to.
On the computer probably, depending on your OS and logging settings."
9:58 AM, who incorrectly advised you on the USB information, Doug Underhill? Remember that Doug is a fraud cyber expert who has admitted under oath that he holds zero certifications.
Best better ask somebody else, or learn to google better. Because in this scenario, the county could absolutely match up thumb drives to computers. Took me about 30 seconds to find the below, which I'm using out of convenience of wasting more time on it. There are of course better sources, and tech experts could go into better detail, this is sufficient to refute what the anonymous person either curious or worried about the possibility for such tracking put down.
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"Both MS Windows and MACs *write* unique information to mounted media, even if it's only nominally *reading* the media. Generally Linux does not do this, but there are a lot of Linux variants.
The information on the media alone is insufficient to explicitly map back to a particular computer. However if you have access to a group of candidate computers, they can be examined for a matching entry in the computer to that of the subject media."
https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/257055/what-traces-are-left-on-a-usb-stick-after-using-it
10:53, isn't that BSC NPT?
SMH.
Mel Pino, I'm able to do my own research.
Matthew Lai
Research Engineer at Google DeepMind. Ex-employees of NVIDIA and Capcom
Electrical and computer engineer experienced in machine learning (deep learning), robotics, graphics, computer vision, embedded systems, and electronics/PCB design.
Is there stored information on a USB flash drive about which computers it has interacted with?
“Not on the USB drive. In fact, the USB drive identifies itself to the computer, but the computer doesn’t identify itself to the USB drive, so the USB drive doesn’t actually know which computer it’s talking to.
On the computer probably, depending on your OS and logging settings.”
Vishwanathan Subramanian
Project and Program Manager at Nihilent (company) (2014–present)
“On the Host (Computer End) : Almost always an OS (barring some Linux OS) have logs of attached devices. on the USB end, it depends on the firmware and the security of the devices, some USB drives (esp ones that have hardware security) may maintain some sort of logs of host devices - Machine/Interface ID or Processor Serial Number if it can get one. but most (99%) drives commercially available simply don’t store store any logging information.”
Hayden Read
IT Engineer at Spark NZ (2011–present)
Can you tell what computers your flash drive has been plugged into?
“In general No.
You could put an Autorun file on the USB that records computers it is plugged into, however that would rely on the Autorun actually running, and I know a lot of computer have autorun turned off on USB devices.
There are speciallized USB devices available that require a PIN/Password to access, and they record the computer that it is accessed from when the PIN/Password is entered, but they are not standard USB flash drives, and only record the information when the PIN/Password is entered, not when it is plugged in.
(Some of these are simply a regular flash drive, with an encrypted file that gets mounted as a drive when you run the decyption program on them, others are more complex).”
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-stored-information-on-a-USB-flash-drive-about-which-computers-it-has-interacted-with
A private citizen does not have to keep “public records.” 😂
Does anyone know (roughly) how much this lawsuit is costing taxpayers?
I was told that Mel Pino was banned from facebook Social media for 10 years by a Federal Court Order I am only going by what the other person she is a homeless advocate I like Mel i dont wanna see her get into trouble.
11:57, thanks for proving my point. The County could have most likely matched metadata from a USB drive to its County computers, or even limited it further to just the computers at 221 Palafox. Doug's creaky old Ipad, for instance, was a County issued machine from the previous D2 office, and that's what he had with him the entire time on the dais and what he sent most of his emails from. I have no idea if they made him give it back, or if they just locked the doors the second he timed ot, happy to be rid of him along with whatever he swiped on the way out the door, Clinton style.
My point has been this: no, what's on that thumb drive is NOT identical to any other external storage device, and could have very well been used to trace its travels on any County-issued machines. So if the judge is going to split legal hairs on the replevin at this point in time, there are *plenty* of answers the County attorney's office can make on his "I'm not really feeling it right now" ruling.
Of course, with Janie Brissett as the lead "investigator" on how it got stolen to begin with, the County was never going to come up with any answers. Getting to the bottom of what actually happened is the very opposite of her skill set, in my experience, and certainly not what she was given the golden parachute into the County to do, after the hatchet job she conducted for the benefit of Edler at the DOH.
The minute this scenario got turned over to her, the County ever learning the transmission of that data was DOA. The anonymous poster who talked about the wolf in the hen house was absolute correct, IMHO. How on God's green earth a member of Team Edler was allowed to run that course quickly into a dead end, I'll never understand, other than the County's endless, perpetual failure to get Edler and her cohort's machinations under control.
I will advise using caution on what is posted. Im sure some people are taking screenshots. The best thing is try to stay positive and Edler and Underhill they are the past lets look to the future. I dont see where calling people nut jobs or angry and other terms helps. Mel Pino has never got over Doug Underhill thats the reason she always complaining about him.
1148..
Here tell she's a posting from a secret shortwave radio frequency from a bunker at Gitmo with both hands tied behind her back.
Using her very particular set of skills, skills acquired over a very long career, skills that make her a nightmare for people....
April Fools
Eric, you're absolutely right that Doug is in the past, your joking about me not being able to quit him aside. But the remnants of the damage he did are still in play at the County, particularly when considered in tandem with being aided and abetted by the previous County Administrator, and then the Clerk of Court taking up with his camp and championing Jonathan Owens behind the scenes. I brought up Doug's County assigned laptop as an example of a device that should have been part of any investigation, internal and external. While I have about zero percent expectation it was. You understand way better than most people, and certainly better than I do, that whole USB scenario discussed above.
The County keeps failing over and over to close the doors on these bad actors, sadly. FYI Edler is not at all in the past; she still has her hooks in and is raging in a qui tam lawsuit against the County to try to score a crap ton of taxpayer money in a he said/she said on billing and continuing to pretend as if she was the victim rather than the perpetrator. There is actually a shade meeting scheduled on it for this week. Everybody assumes (because we can't know) that the insurance company is urging the County to settle, because that's what insurance companies due: quickly bill hours on insufficient legal to put things in an unwinnable state and then blame it on the client and be done with it. It's nice work if you can get it.
As for Melissa Marie Johnson's claims that the feds kicked me off Facebook--amazing, it's 10 years now since they kicked me off?--bless her heart. She tells everybody a different version, but it always boils down to, if I ever get on Facebook again or say anything about her online the feds will arrest me. It's sad, actually. :( She is desperate for it not to come out publicly that she and Teresa Hill dropped homeless people from under the bridge off at various camps outside City limits in the County. Among other things. It's not like people had a lot of options that day, so it's not just what they did, but how they did it. Off the books, no record, and then pretending they didn't do it, when every homeless advocate in town knows for a fact that they did. She also doesn't like people who question her claim that she makes no money off the donations she takes in. Again, the people who help homeless deserve to eat and pay their bills and then some. Which is why it's a shame that so many homeless non profits don't make their books transparent.
What was that Homeless activist's real name again? I forgot but those pics she posted were hot. If you like that kind of look. Like a skinny skank talent search.
The internet is forever.
Pensacola
City of Grudges. Complete with colorful aliases of public figures attempting to run from their past..
Lipstick on a pig.... Still a pig.
So yes technically if fat lazy slob passed out ceu card then technically when they renewed their license, there was a deficit. BFD really.
10:58,
1. I honestly don't remember Melissa Marie Johnson's real name--Michelle something? Or any of her previous names, for that matter. When I left Facebook (with a notice I was getting off for good in two weeks as the last post that anyone seeing my account couldn't have missed), I didn't deactivate, but deleted it completely along with everything logged there. One of the happiest days of my political involvement. Bad things happen to people's brains when they spend too much time on Facebook. ECW is a perfect example of how daily social media obsession degrades people's mental health and cognition over time.
Bidirectional forwarding detection--thank you, that's new to me (although not to our in-house tech experts, who told me "One of the first fifteen things you do. It's sort of like making sure the barn is closed. Then you see who has been asking for horse feed recently."). Do you suppose that anyone at the County "conducting" the "investigation" on how the messages got to Owens has ever heard of it, either? and/or cared to bother.
2. On the EMS, I think it's important to continue to answer every time a comment about guilt on the certs comes up. Nothing has ever changed in what I have said publicly about it, from the very beginning.
--I always made clear I wasn't advocating for everyone, but only the ones who were innocent, as I knew multiple people to be.
--Per the individual many presume or claim to have knowledge of guilt in intentionally writing cards without adequate training, to this day I have no personal knowledge of intentionality versus sloppy record keeping at a job he shouldn't have held. And I never will. Two of the people I was advocating for have already been exonerated by having their records cleared of any criminal charges. I'm hopeful for a third.
--The DOH like every Florida state agency is a shell of its former self, couldn't investigate their way out of a bag if they tried, is understaffed, and nothing more than a puppet for the governor. As with every state agency under his regime. Either the investigators (there were two locals) on that case were fools, or they knowingly participated in the frame-ups of innocent people.
--At the beginning determining whether to get involved--it was a huge learning curve for me--I had a long conversation with the person who used to be the regional overseer for all the certifications in the various agencies. He told me that certifications are a perennial problem in the industry, and when things go into a lax period, yes you clean it up. He had to shut down an agency's ability to do some specific things at one point while a bunch of people got recertified. The world kept turning on its axis. No criminal charges filed; no disciplinary action at all. Just get people rebooted.
--If lack of certs rather than bad management were what ailed the County's EMS, we wouldn't be seeing the recent problems with call times and people continuing to leave their jobs. ESCAMBIA EMS'S PROBLEM IS A CONTINUING TOXIC WORKFORCE CULTURE, not certs.
--Edler was a more than willing, and an extremely adept, cultivator of divide and conquer tactics, including orchestrating a cover up with Underhill for some of her darlings who were KNOWINGLY riding on expired PALS training. She *fostered* the problem so that she could then sue the County for it.
--She and her henchman--Maddrey, Pineapple, Hoopah (who to his credit later regretted participating in it, and offered to write a letter coming clean to HR that Jana Still wouldn't accept)--continually tried to force the people they were claiming didn't have up-to-date certs onto trucks SO THAT SHE COULD DOCUMENT THAT AND USE IT TO SUE THE COUNTY. Most of the people they were targeting were too smart to get pressured into that, but there might have been instances where people caved.
--Throughout Edler's tenure, the QA process degraded until it was non-existent, when they got rid of the person who had been attempting to cover it beyond her actual job duties on a Fire Me Friday. Very serious complaints never made their way up the chain, including one very high profile and tragic situation that most people in the field are aware of, brought about by one of her cowboys who had no business being promoted to medic from EMT.
--The legal bind that the County is in is that anything and everything that Edler herself orchestrated, she full well knew would end up resting in the commission's lap legally. Her strateg was to cause and document problems so she could then sue on them.
--This could be pressed under depositions by a skilled litigator.
3. This is not a helpless legal situation with a competent attorney who is willing and able to fight the bullshit. Going against her with an insurance attorney at the helm? Could already be fatal. Will the County even be able to mediate out a qui tam if they try to do that? It seems iffy...and I believe the federal government would have to sign off on any mediation. But I'm not sure on that last part.
Bottom line: guilt or no of any particular people, there were indeed multiple targeted individuals who were perfectly innocent of both the criminal charges and the DOH complaints. The criminal charges have been expunged in 2 and hopefully 3. The DOH, however, apparently won't let go without getting some more of that money in fines. Whoever ends up paying the tab for this tragic fiasco.
BFD meant Big effing deal.
So Mel's narrative is Edler came to the county with help from Underhill to purposefully set people up so she could sue the county for her own pocketbook.
Yeah right.
Edler most likely just came across a few lazy slobs not doing things by the book and handled thing like she did because she worked hard to get her license and didn't like knowing she had the position of authority with out the support of the rest of the ones above her.
She couldn't get anyone to acknowledge she was right and like a dog with a bone won't let it go.
In real life someone could have gone to JB ems guy and said. "Knock it off. Keep the eyes off a you cuz when they go a looking they can find all kinds of things wrong."
In the entire scheme of things not getting a proper ceu and not having T crossed and I dotted to be able to be a provider even though through incompetence or ignorance is not acceptable. Against the law.
However something like a PALS cert mostly trains an ems person to compress more lightly and blow less air in lungs because a child is smaller than an adult. If a licensee has held a license for awhile and had that training it's the same darn thing over and over and over and over. Not rocket science. BFD.
If the county is getting sued they try to not pay.
Conflict eventually ends. Draw straws. Eny meanie means miney moe...
For instance the clerk was right about the 401a. Seems. So what.
I'll still vote for Barry most likely. Over a dumb dem. 🤪 And Trump.
Although glad Marijuana is on the ballot and abortion. Will vote for both.
Life is not in black and white.
Mel's mad cuz Edler sued her and then she talked Jeff into seeing it from her perspective.
She was part right.
Part wrong.
Speaking of radio and bloggers and the 401a mentioned.
I was surprised to see NorthEscambia report that the clerk prevailed in the 401a after Barry had you all vote to give William about 2 years worth of Century Chamber of Commerce money with no need to account for how he spent it. 100K to a blogger can help with bias.
Obviously.
Wow, with all the rulings this week. Next leadoff song for a radio interviw should be
"Maneater" 🎵 🎶
https://youtu.be/yRYFKcMa_Ek?si=JVajjLr0VKZ5YZve
1:29, responses inline.
1. "So Mel's narrative is Edler came to the county with help from Underhill to purposefully set people up so she could sue the county for her own pocketbook."
--Partly right, partly wrong. Doug was put on the dais in part to blow up the County's public safety for Downtown puppet masters, who consider it a vulnerable lynch pin towards a consolidated charter with the City in charge. I don't know how much a part Doug had in engineering that meeting with JAR, the mother of the man who got hit and killed, and Edler, with County officials and others in attendance. That seems to have been the brain child of Jack Brown and Grover (and Grover had crowbarred Jack Brown into the County to do his bidding by forcing his application even though the RFP was closed). The horrendous hiring meeting for Edler, which is public record on audio, was clearly Jack large and in charge at the moment. When Steve White and others talked about her horrible reputation for being impossible to work with, Jack made some comment about how if somebody was throwing rocks at the organization his long time strategy is to bring them inside. (I later learned he was a mediator for the military, which, if true, makes me wonder what horrible military outcomes we had as a result.) She has stated that Jack approached her about putting an application in for the Medical Director job at that meeting. So to say that Doug orchestrated her arrival is not accurate. He did, however, orchestrate Rusty Nail's hire with connections on the jet ski circuit. When Edler and Nail started the same day and quickly became, um, close working confidants, Doug had a two-fer to work with towards blowing the department up, as he had been working to do since his first day on the job.
"In the entire scheme of things not getting a proper ceu and not having T crossed and I dotted to be able to be a provider even though through incompetence or ignorance is not acceptable. Against the law."
--And I never said that it would be excusable, or wouldn't merit some sort of disciplinary action, including termination. Lots of things are against the law; most low level crimes don't get prosecuted. (Not to mention a lot of big ones, if you've got money and/or power.) Do you really think it's a good idea to start targeting medics and EMS departments for criminal charges on this type of thing? Clearly, the state's attorney decided it hadn't been worth it. And there's a reason that Edler didn't get whistleblower status from a federal or state agency, although with the ineptitude of the legal handling that case and others I have little doubt now the County will just fall down and hand her off another huge gob of money. (There's nothing in her suit that couldn't be defended, and some of it easily; the problem is, that would require trying to defend it, and I'm done hoping that the County will get it together on legal to stop handing bad actors huge monetary settlements for their bad actions.)
--So if you're arguing it's against the law in some intractable manner, then why weren't the people who "self reported" to Doug about their lack of PALS reported for criminal charge and written up in a DOH complaint? Because PALS skills are so low on the totem pole due to their repetitive nature? (As if other training isn't repetitive also, particularly when done on a computer.)
--I will never have complete information about what went down, that's for sure. But then I have zero doubt you don't know everything I do, and the extent of things I did not share publicly, and never will, is enormous. So while I have no doubt you are aware of things that I don't know, ditto goes for the encyclopedia of horrors that I had to keep to context for my own perspective. Which forever changed the way I look at human nature, and make the injustice of her recent insurance pay-out even more tragic and outrageous.
2.
"Mel's mad cuz Edler sued her"
--Getting sued sucked, but remember, I did not attempt to mediate out the case once it happened, and instead used it to expose what she was doing. It was a huge tactical error on her part. What pisses me off is the County's total ineptitude in getting her out of the County more quickly to limit the damage, and then doing nothing but stall out this qui tam suit rather than using it to expose her as I did. Just because you weren't reading the docket documents on her suit against me doesn't mean the SAO wasn't.
"and then she talked Jeff into seeing it from her perspective."
--No, I finally broke down and shared documents and names with him after one of the medics' names Edler and her "army" were targeting for harassment came out in the second hearing. Until then, I had not provided any names or encouraged any of them to talk to County officials, knowing the minute that happened they would either get fired or the abuse would get worse. After the second hearing, I could in good faith advise that medic to speak freely with Commissioner Bergosh, and provide him documentation, and that is what changed things. Hard facts.
"She was part right. Part wrong."
--I will never have complete information about what went down, that's for sure. But then I have zero doubt you don't know everything I do, and the extent of things I did not share publicly, and never will, is enormous. So while I have no doubt you are aware of things that I don't know, ditto goes for the encyclopedia of horrors that I had to limit use on as simply context for my own perspective. Much of that black surround forever changed the way I look at human nature, and makes the injustice of her recent insurance pay-out even more tragic and outrageous.
I just know what was public record via depositions, dockets etc.
I think it was overblown.
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