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Sunday, July 19, 2020

Double Standards Part I: Historic Properties

Should the application and enforcement of state and federal historic preservation laws be equal across the board--or should a different standard be applied to historic properties that are "controversial?"


There are a lot of double-standards happening today--and folks seem perfectly fine accepting these.

At least situationally--if it fits within a certain ideology or goal.

Here is one example that is particularly stark:  Disparate treatment of Historic Properties under the Law

When Hurricane Ivan blew through the Pensacola area in 2004--tremendous damage was done to NAS Pensacola.  It was devastating!

I began work there in early 2005 as the recovery from the storm was well underway.  I worked as the interim cultural resources manager and dealt with a lot of the issues surrounding the recovery.  Specifically, the federal government has to follow federal law with respect to historic properties subject to the National Historic Preservation Act.  Although congress appropriated hundreds of millions of dollars for demolition and rebuilding structures on the base that were heavily damaged---the DoD and the Navy had to meticulously follow the Section 106 process that stipulates the way historic properties must be considered before demolition.  It is not a short undertaking either.  It is time-consuming, requiring case reports, public hearings, and consideration by the federal entity (in this case the DoD and the Navy).  But the relevant State Historic Preservation Officer (SHPO) has a big part to play, as does the National Trust for Historic Preservation--a board charged with the authority to consider demolition/destruction of historic properties.  A plan for the removal is mandatory, and the goal is always to minimize the loss of historic properties.  Importantly--at the end of the process--the relevant government entity always has the final say.  In the case of Ivan at NAS Pensacola--it was the Navy.  In the end in 2004-2006----lots of damaged buildings were demolished, some were saved, and a memorial trail with historic markings was constructed to help preserve and document what was there before the Hurricane.  I remember one structure was badly damaged and there was great consternation among some Ivy-League type historians that flew in to Pensacola from all around the country to consult with the Navy.  I remember one historian angrily confronting high-ranking Navy Personnel (Including the base CO at the time CAPT John Pruitt) saying [paraphrasing] "These are NOT your buildings--they belong to the people--all the people!)  It really was quite surreal--as the "historic property" at issue in that case was an old-dilapidated structure that was in poor condition prior to the storm, and all but destroyed after the storm.

Eventually--the demolition program at NAS ended with the largest number of historic structures razed anywhere in the country in the history of the NHPA.  The Navy followed the process to the letter, and in the end was able to make the decision (s) that were in the best interest of the mission in Pensacola--with respect to which historic buildings would be renovated and which would be razed.

Now--contrast that thoughtful, deliberate effort at compliance with Historic Preservation law by the US Navy Leadership in 2004-2006, complete with participation by out of town academics, consultations, public hearings and meetings, and complete transparency------------ with the light-speed, knee-jerk effort to remove a historic property in the City of Pensacola to appease a loud vocal group that want a historic property removed IMMEDIATELY.

Sure, the times have changed and there are passionate voices on both sides of the issue.

Some DEMAND that the statue be removed.  Others want it to remain--as a reminder of the history of our area.

Meanwhile, however, it appears that nobody was taking into account the historic property laws that may be applicable here.  Particularly applicable if a historic property is to be removed.  Acutely applicable if the object to be removed is a contributing structure in a district that is recognized as a National Register of Historic Places District--as the North Hill District is.

Read the legal complaint requesting the monument NOT be removed for yourself-- and pay particular attention to #12 and #18-#20.

But Judge Gary Bergosh--my brother-- issued an emergency temporary restraining order prohibiting the removal of the monument until such time as a hearing could be scheduled.

All of this will now have to be settled in court.  And the argument could be made that the Federal NHPA act is inapplicable as the property at issue is not federal property.  However, there are Florida Historic Preservation Laws that are very similar to the Federal NHPA--contained in Chapter 267 Florida Statutes.  And because the city receives some federal funds--the applicability of the NHPA could come into play.  Again--lawyers and judges will decide these complex questions.

But meanwhile--no out of state academics appeared to defend the historic preservation law as it pertains to the Lee Square monument.  Nope.  While they passionately, stridently defended every


 damaged building and structure on NAS Pensacola--even buildings that were not being used before the storm---these same sorts of academics appear to be perfectly content (via their silence and inaction on the issue) allowing other historic properties to be purposely demolished--perhaps structures where there is active, open, and sometimes violent conflicts of opinions? 

Still seems like a double-standard to me, right?

Look-you want to be a historic preservation activist?  Then show up in ALL instances where historic properties are in jeopardy of being destroyed without the benefit of appropriate due process under the law.  Otherwise, you are a partisan and a poser.  That's my opinion.

It's kind of like the ACLU's double standards on free speech.  Yes, yes--these elite ACLU lawyer types  passionately defend the desecration of the Bible and Christian Symbols in supposed "artworks" under the guise of "free speech!" (which is disgusting to me) But simultaneously, these same ACLU activists are silent and absent when we have a whack-job "pastor" in central Florida desecrating the Muslim Koran. (which is equally disgusting to me).  Attention ACLU:  If you defend one act but not the other--you are a partisan fraud, a fake, a phony poser--got it!

Here's the thing.  It does not matter what one's opinion is on a law.  All laws must be followed and enforced--even in cases where there may be significant disagreement.  We cannot "selectively" pick and choose which occasions we decide to follow particular laws on particular items and matters dependent solely upon our "feelings" and/or which ways the political winds appear to be blowing. It's not about our own personal political philosophy.

Don't like a law or a rule?---go and get it changed.  Do something!  Otherwise, all laws must be followed with fidelity lest we end up a dysfunctional, backwards banana republic.  Let's not let that happen please. 

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yes we should follow rule of law. That is a principal of our founding fathers. Well said. It's apparent you put much thought into this.

These monuments were placed as memorials for reconciliation and for binding the wounds of the conflict after the American civil war. Note when politics, race are intertwined the lies and truth are continually twisted for an agenda.

The United States government in currently under attack from the radical left wing within and has been for some time. The politics of retribution is upon us at our own demise once again. Perhaps this monument on Pensacola can be a symbol of our last stand.

Memorial Day services have been held at Pensacola's Cenotaph over the years.

Gov. Cadwallader used Confederate Rest as a tool for reconciliation in a speech he gave on Memorial Day in 1872:


"I would not have these ceremonies perpetuated for the purpose of keeping alive resentments or dividing people that ought to be united, but only to remind us of the priceless value of our glorious union, and our obligations to those who sacrificed their lives to uphold and maintain it and to the near and dear ones they have left behind.

Here, almost side by side, and in one silent bed, are laid not only those who sacrificed their lives to preserve — but also destroy our fair fabric of governance. Misguided as the last were, you wage no war with lifeless clay and your resentments stop at the grave. Let us then, after we shall have decked the graves of our brave defenders, scattering pansies, forget-me-nots and the ‘rosemary of remembrance,’ not forget the lowly bed of those who sleep so far away from their once happy and sunny homes."


Steven Bursey said...

Steven Bursey

I understood what you are saying about double standard amd clearly you made a good point .All of us could blog 24 hours a day 7 days a week about government , Legal, political and if 2 people were to agree to it their own personal double standards . My question to you as a leader of this county elected by the people to lead .

When it comes to the issue of this monument or lee square in general do you Com.Jeff Bergosh support this monument staying there and what it represents to the people of this community that want to keep it there for what ever their reason is . I kmow you have heard them all ? Yes or no

If yes and being a leader of the Community How do you tell the people it offends and causes a lot of deep pain for what they believe it represents and that has to look at it and deal with it ?

If you can even answer the first questions it speaks volumes to me about how you represent the people . I believe Grover Robinson is the first local leader to answer that question .

I apologize if I have not heard or seen Lumen May state his position . He is not very accessible or
Present in social media . I can only imagine given that people of color is the majority of his constituents he does not support keeping this . I look forward to him saying it which I know he will not hold back .

Anonymous said...

Steven
If you type "history" in the search box on this blog, you can ascertain Bergosh's position on "history" FYI as a whole

A few blogs come up from the past when he addressed similar issues. Not to speak for him but to me he seems to be against removing history to satisfy the perpetually offended and upset.

He calls it a "slippery slope." So I think he is against the cancel culture madness myself.

Now if one disagrees they gets labeled racist, which is ridiculous but they do it anyway. I think we have too much going on to get too far in the weeds with this and opinions.

It's in a court of law..let it die down imo. We have bigger "fish to fry"

Like a pandemic to get under control.

Hope that helps

Anonymous said...

Well if we as a nation embrace the cancel culture-- slippery slope

Take this:

WASHINGTON (SBG) — U.S. Rep. Louis Gohmert introduced a resolution to ban any political party that has been supportive of slavery, which he says includes the Democratic Party.

The Texas Republican also calls for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to remove any items that symbolize or mention any political party that supported slavery or the Confederacy.

“As outlined in the resolution, a great portion of the history of the Democratic Party is filled with racism and hatred. Since people are demanding we rid ourselves of the entities, symbols, and reminders of the repugnant aspects of our past, then the time has come for Democrats to acknowledge their party’s loathsome and bigoted past, and consider changing their party name to something that isn’t so blatantly and offensively tied to slavery, Jim Crow, discrimination, and the Ku Klux Klan,”

Anonymous said...

cont

"Gohmert says the “violent leftists” damaging cities and monuments or calling for things to be renamed are failing to recognize the history of their party.

“To avoid triggering innocent bystanders by the racist past of the Democratic Party, I would suggest they change their name,” he said. “That is the standard to which they are holding everyone else, so the name change needs to occur.”

The resolution came after a House vote Wednesday to remove statues of people who defended slavery or served for the Confederacy from the U.S. Capitol.

Wednesday’s bill would eventually remove statues of Confederate leaders like Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens. Last month, Pelosi also ordered the removal of other Confederate monuments from the Capitol.

The resolution is co-sponsored by Republican Reps. Andy Biggs, Jody Hice, Randy Weber and Andy Harris."

Touche'