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Sunday, April 16, 2023

PERDIDO-GATE Bombshell Part III: What Does the PKA Know about the Ubiquity of 75' Public Easement(s) on PK and the Infamous "Walkover to Nowhere?"


In part I and II of this series we uncovered the fact that there are dozens of parcels, on the Gulf of Mexico, in Perdido Key, In District 1 of Escambia County Florida where public beach access in perpetuity was supposed to be guaranteed--- for the citizens--- in the original deeds of such properties granted to original owners from the Federal Government.  In perpetuity.  But that hasn't happened:  The opposite has occurred--with citizens being barred behind ominous "no-trespassing" "keep- out" and "private property" signs and armed security to boot in many instances.  We also located documentation indicating some county staffers in 2001 knew of this.  And we identified at least one property deed recorded as recently as 2005 with the clerk of the court prominently indicating this 75' of easement for public beach access in the transfer.  But many other subsequent titles scanned by the legal office apparently do not have this language (or at least we have not been able to locate the original deeds that indicate this language.)  These two original posts on these topics have blown up on this blog like gas poured over a fireworks depot and lit with a stick of dynamite;  thousands and thousand of hits, unique visits, downloads from all over the country and nearly one hundred comments thus far.  Add to this two front page headlines in the hard copy Saturday and Sunday PNJ, multiple stories on the area's media juggernaut WEAR, and every radio station in town reporting on this as well as studio 850 and other Facebook Sites.  It is big.  In fact, as I have now stated numerous times--this is the biggest government related story in the area in the last 16 years I have served as a public official:  Bigger than the school superintendent's DUI, bigger than the Newpoint school scandal where people went to jail.  This is bigger and it is growing.

As I continue my research into how this matter, this travesty of deliberate blocking of the public's deed-granted, perpetual access to the beach by some properties at Perdido Key over the years --complete with armed guards and ominous warning signs--was perpetrated on the public--some additional questions are coming up which offer tantalizing clues as to the existance of potentially  more institutional knowledge on public access easements on the key.

SO WHAT DOES THE PKA KNOW ABOUT BEACH ACCESS EASEMENTS TODAY?

First of all--the Perdido Key Association is the organization on Perdido Key that has the most  institutional knowledge of all things Perdido Key.  Their former president, Dick Domurat, knew of the existance of the 75' public beach access--- at least as it pertained at the time to the parcel where the eventual Windemere Condominium would be constructed.  Domurat argued strenuously, on behalf of the PKA IN 2000-2001, against the county's density grant for the number of units ultimately approved for that tower.  The basis of his challenge was that the presence of a 75' public beach access easement lowered the total lot size, which he felt thereby would necessitate that the county concommitantly reduce the number of dwellings allowed.  The PKA knew that then--so did they also know this easement appeared on other lots as we just recently found out?  I emailed the current head of PKA, Mr. Charles Krupnick to ask him.  Here is my email to him on this topic specifically:

"Good Morning Charles,

 I hope you are enjoying your weekend, and I wanted to run a couple of things by you.

 As I am digging into the issues of the public beach access use easement on dozens of properties on Perdido Key of which, apparently, nobody was aware I am told—I found when researching all the aforementioned deeds and litigation particularly as it related to the Windemere condominium’s initial construction---I found something interesting.  Apparently, at that time, the president of PKA and your predecessor, Dick Domurat, on behalf of the PKA fought against the county’s calculation of density allowance for this Windemere condominium on the basis of the lot size not being 3 acres total—but actually less than 2 total acres due to the existing 75’ perpetual easement for public beach access.  I found that argument to be interesting and eventually it was not persuasive to the county at that time.  The nugget of good information from that proceeding, in my view, is that all parties recognized the reality and the validity of that language; the decision on density did not turn on whether or not the easement was real, so far as I can tell, but rather that the lot size was over three acres including the easement and the presence of the easement did not diminish the factual, actual size of the lot. 

 But now, knowing all this happened in 2001—I was curious if you were aware of this 75’ easement?  Was anyone in the PKA aware?  And more importantly—are you aware of this sort of language on any of the other originally executed deeds from the Federal Government to private parties on PK from 1940 onward?

 I am tasking the legal office with finding every single one of the originally executed transfer deeds from the U.S. Government (Because the U.S. Government owned all of this land and eventually deeded it to states, counties, and private parties all over the Panhandle---and all the language in what transfers we have seen here, on Santa Rosa Island, and elsewhere all contains language protecting public ownership/accessibility of the beaches) to see if this language stipulating public access appears on every one or any others in Perdido Key specifically outside of the 64 deeds we have already found.  Thus far, it has apparently been incredibly difficult for our attorneys to locate even one (1) of these original deed transfers on ANY property outside of the original 64 we have encompassing the Gulf Beach subdivision.  However, this is a pressing concern of immense public importance and based upon what we have found thus far I do not believe we can stop researching this matter until we know with certainty whether or not these gulf front parcels all contain similar public beach access easements.  Your assistance in this search may make our task easier, thus my question to you.

 And once we know one way or another—this will drive strategy necessary to ensure appropriate public access where appropriate, the proper provision of public safety and renourishment, as well as marketing and other initiatives.  But public safety is top of mind right now for me—as three citizens visiting the area and staying in condos at PK died by drowning last week.  If these beaches have a public component as many believe we will find they do---then I will fight with everything I have to get

lifeguards funded and deployed to help prevent these tragedies going forward. 

In short Charles—this is a big deal and I am going to turn over every rock in order to get to the bottom of the truth.  I’d like your help, and the PKA’s help, in doing this as quickly as possible.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation in this endeavor.  I hope you have an excellent Sunday.

Sincerely,

 Jeff Bergosh

District 1 Commissioner"

WHAT DOES THE PKA KNOW ABOUT THE GRAND CARIBBEAN/SANDY KEY "WALKOVER TO NOWHERE"

this is an additional data point I asked the PKA about.  It doesn’t make any sense to me at all.  Why would Sandy Key EVER allow county citizens and northern property boundary “neighbor” condo complex Grand Caribbean the ability to acquire an easement for public access to their (Sandy Key’s) purportedly “private” beach front?  Why would they agree to this and then subsequently complain about it and attempt to expel those that use the walkover?  It makes no sense but what it could mean is that those who hammered out this deal KNEW of the existence, potentially, of the 75’ public beach access easement.  Otherwise—why would they (Sandy Key) EVER have allowed the access easement and walkover (by Grand Caribbean and including the county) in the first place in 2009??????????Sandy Key would have had all the leverage and say so unless there was something that pushed them which seems a reasonable assumption absent any formal, publicly known documentation thus far…..So I sent this email to the current PKA President, Charles Krupnick, this morning:

"Charles,

 I have one other quick question for you.  Over the last three days I have requested, received, and sifted through hundreds of pages of documents related to the negotiations between Grand Caribbean and Sandy Key (with the county included as well) for an easement at the eastern boundary of the property associated with Sandy Key—so that the owners and visitors of Grand Caribbean and the public (thus the county’s participation) could access “the beach” from their adjacent north of the beach property.  Interestingly—the marketing materials for Grand Caribbean I found online list this as a prominent feature “..easy access to the sugar-white sands of the Gulf of Mexico via a 1 minute walk on our 100 yard walkover” [paraphrased].  What I did not find in any of this documentation was any MOU/MOA/Agreement between Sandy Key and Grand Caribbean memorializing a granting of rights by Sandy Key to Grand Caribbean for access to what purportedly is Sandy Key’s “private” beachfront.  This agreement, hammered out in 2009 with various iterations in the following years seemed, instead, to be focused on the location of the walkover structure within the easement, the height of it, whether or not it was built as agreed, whether or not it was being maintained as agreed, etc. etc. etc. ad nausem.  There has been associated litigation, disagreements, and overall general consternation and gnashing of teeth surrounding it (walkover) for these multiple reasons in the years since apparently—but thus far I have not seen any source documents earlier than 2009 that illuminate a right of access to the beach by anyone who could get there (as the area is surrounded by properties east and west that have what all considered “private” beaches).  So, I ask for your institutional knowledge as the president of the PKA in helping to answer my curious questions about this walkover/easement/access agreement—if you are willing to help me and the legal staff answer these:

  1. Is there a separate agreement between Grand Caribbean and Sandy Key acknowledging the existence of a 75’ public beach access easement?
  2. Is there some other documented agreement between these two complexes which forces Sandy Key to allow the visitors/residents of Grand Caribbean (and the public) to use what they claim is their private beach in front of their complex?
  3. I have found emails from Sandy Key HOA presidents and the county from 2015-2016 where the Sandy Key HOA is apparently complaining about and “kicking-out” non-residents (including Grand Caribbean residents) who access this beach via the previously agreed-upon and constructed beach walkover from the 2009 agreement---so the question is why would they allow the walkover to be constructed in the first place if they (Sandy Key Owners) didn’t intend to allow and more importantly didn’t HAVE to allow the users of the walkover to utilize their purportedly “private” beach?

 I will keep digging and eventually we will find any and all such agreements, originally executed deeds, etc. necessary for us to piece it all together—but given your long history and relevant institutional knowledge of all things PK—I thought I’d ask for your assistance if per chance you knew/know of the answers to these and can help us take a shortcut.

 Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide as President of the PKA---and again—have a great Sunday!

 Sincerely,

 Jeff Bergosh

District 1 Commissioner

Escambia Board of County Commissioners"


20 comments:

Mel Pino said...

Huh. Just gets curiouser and curiouser, doesn't it?

All of us trying to pound beach access open down on the Key: THOSE. BEACHES ARE. NOT. PRIVATE. THEY ARE PUBLIC!!!
Most everybody else: If what you're saying was true, everybody would know about it. Duh.

What else does everybody not know about?

Any particular response from Mr. Krupnick aside, there's gonna be a whole lotta "It Wasn't Me" going around...

NSFW (or Sailor Jerry Sunday):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_x6QmuJdms

Anonymous said...

May I suggest a conversation with my old buddy Dick Domurat is in order.
I can assure you that as a former President of PKA and a major developer on Perdido Key, he will know the intire story plus...he will have the records to back it up.

Alice Hurst Neal said...

We owned in Grand Caribbean until last August. When we bought our unit in early 2021, we were told by the seller AND several other owners there that a "gentleman's agreement" had been worked out between Sandy Key and GC for owners and guests of GC to use that walkway. We were also told that an agreement had been worked out between owners of Parasol to allow owners and guests of GC to use the beach behind Parasol as long as visitors stayed beyond Parasol's "private property" sign. At the time there was only one and it was pretty close to their dune line but with plenty of buffer. We loved it. But I was there week before last and there are now FOUR Parasol signs and they go much closer to the water.

I never understood the "gentleman's agreement". I was told by someone at the County in 2018 that that walkway was PUBLIC because it was an easement owned by the county. How did Sandy Key ever come to control that walkway anyway?

Alice Hurst Neal said...

Commissioner, please read this:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/EscCitizensWatch/permalink/1837094962992927/

Mel Pino said...

Alice, see my recent comment (this morning) on a below string on Sandy Key. Lots and lots of campaign donations to Doug on the roles. Particularly around the time we appealed to the BCC to keep him from closing Beach Access 1, and Jeff and the other commissioners promised us, publicly, that he could NOT close it without a vote of the Board.

Anonymous said...

They simply don't know what they don't know. How can legally archived documents such as Plat books be inaccessible to the public? How can they try and charge for "copies" of documents. All title and deed books are and should be archived for public review within a space to review.
Scans can easily be altered. Anyone ever hear of Adobe Professional? Yet the books belong to the citizens and.are.to be kept for review and research.

Kevin said...

Alice,

Yes with a link to the County Section Map Id: 35-3S-32-2 very clearly shows a Pedestrian Easement on the eastern edge of Sandy Key Phase-1 and the western edge of Parasol.

it really looks like the easement goes from Sandy Key Drive eastern end to the beach.

Gentlemen's agreements mean nothing as Doug so clearly stated when Vacating many properties that cut citizens off of water access that they had had for years or decades with 'gentlemen's agreements' and actual access ON PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY but he was happy to cut you off because you are out of time and access.

I am now curious about the 'Vacation' on Sandy Key Dr "VACATED BY OR 5238 P 611" on the map.

As Mel said NSFW (or Sailor Jerry Sunday): Shaggy's It Wasn't Me on Youtube

Alice Hurst Neal said...

Also, when we purchased in GC, we were told by a board member that GC paid for that wooden boardwalk that was put in after Hurricane Sally. There would be documentation, I'm sure.

Jeff Bergosh said...

Alice Hurst Neal,

Thanks for posting your firsthand information. As far as following that like to the hate chamber facebook site, no thank you. For New Year's I gave up several things, most prominent among them was drinking Diet Coke and visiting that site. Nothing good there, and nobody either. Same twelve or so doing the woodpecker on their keyboards. So thanks but no thanks. If you'd like to simply post the jist of whatever is there after that link here--particularly if it is useful information, I would be appreciative.

Alice Hurst Neal said...

Commissioner, I understand your relationship (or lack thereof) with ECW. I have been following it for... well, since forever. I am on that site so I take personal offense to your comment "Nothing good there and nobody either". I am NOT part of the Underhill fan club and never have been. I'm a good person with ENORMOUS passion for Perdido Key and especially public beach access. Much to the annoyance of Doug Underhill, most of my contributions to ECW over the years pertain to public beach access issues. I was born and raised in Pensacola and like you, spent much of my youth on those beaches in Perdido; swimming, fishing, sunning, etc. (I think you and I even attended high school together.)

All of that being said, the link I sent you was to a post made by John Hill on ECW back in August of 2018 about Perdido Key easements. In it, John provides some useful information about the easement between Sandy Key and Parasol. Others provided some interesting bites in the comment section. A "bombshell"? Hardly. But every little detail, no matter how small, is (in my opinion) another piece of a very complex puzzle that is (hopefully) close to being solved.

I cannot begin to express my gratitude to Michael McCormack for this recent discovery.

Anonymous said...

Commissioner Bergosh is telling stories if he doesn't keep tabs on ECW. He was discussing county business on its sister site this morning using his private account. I hope it's public and no one is blocked. You might want to see what Alice is talking about as it was posted some four years ago. I also don't see any public right of way at Sandy Key East and Parasol.

Jeff Bergosh said...

5:07--not one of my facebook accounts (campaign, personal, or District 1 commissioner) has gone to Escambia Tin Foil Hate Chamber since 12-31-2022. That is a fact. It is one of my resolutions I made for New Years! Nothing good there. Not one thing. My personal account was "tagged" with a question on an OLF-8 facebook site of which I have been a member over the years in my personal capacity as a neighbor right across the street and I engaged and answered a few questions---if that is the "sister-site" of which you speak. Those are the facts, anonymous. Have a great evening!

Anonymous said...

I’m guessing you have a pretty good idea of how great it would be to get this access back. But just in case, Commissioner Bergosh, THIS WOULD BE SO FREAKIN HUGE!
Since losing the full length of of parking along Johnson Beach road, congestion has been very challenging. Fisherman, surfers, families, all fighting for room to enjoy the beach as they wish. It never should have been like this.
Shame on the isolated, entitled, ‘elites’ in our community who schemed this idea of private beaches.
Patience won’t be easy, La Playa had their security out today, harassing people. Even as there was a navy of surfers out along those shores, enjoying the surf, but also looking to protect the visitors in these condos from any rip currents. These condos will fight, but at this point, they have to know that they’re going to lose. Right?

Alice Hurst Neal said...

It should be noted that the walkover that is there now (between Sandy Key and Parasol) is not the original walkover. The current walkover was built after Hurricane Sally and paid for by GC. Parasol was included in the negotiations of the new walkover and requested (insisted?) that the new walkway be narrowed, creating a buffer between Parasol's fence and the walkway. I was told that Sandy Key requested carpeting to "quiet travelers" but currently there is no carpeting.

Grand Caribbean maintains the walkway for the most part.

Mel Pino said...

Commissioner Bergosh, FYI anything that John Hill ever put down on Perdido, regardless of where he wrote it, is worth taking a look at.

Although ECW has primarily been a tool for Douggite disinformation since Jacqueline struck whatever bargain with Doug years ago, and nobody hates that site and what it has wrought more than me, that's no reason to discount any useful information that has been added there over the years. And John's is *always* useful. It was one of the high points of the last five years for me when I called him the other night to give him the good news; we were on the phone quite a while discussing the ins and outs, for once in a happy context.

Years ago, although Doug was already on his disinformation terror there and Jacqueline was his willing handmaiden, along with a whole host of flying monkeys and dupes, there were still a LOT of people putting down actual real information there, trying to combat their program.

One by one, of course, most everybody who was putting down the truth and useful information and fighting against Doug was either kicked off--over 60 that I know personally, at least count--or left off paying any attention to the nonsense of their own accord. (And I can attest that, while it frustrates me people like Alice still don't understand the danger of giving that site the time of day, and people like Michael McCormack *still* have to manage the mis- and disinformation there, I've never witnessed her contributing to the Doug love fest--quite the opposite).

ECW will remain a bane to the community for as long as decent people continue to consider it a useful place to air anything. The damage it has done for a decade now is truly immeasurable. But please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater; if somebody with institutional knowledge such as Alice, who is and has been squarely on the right side of this issue, points you to information from somebody worth reading there, please take a look. It doesn't mean you have to be on there every day reading their slander, lies, and ignorance. John Hill is an encyclopedia of back in the day, and I'm so happy that he is finally seeing his beloved beaches opening back up to the public. He's definitely a source worth consulting.

Alice Hurst Neal said...

I miss John Hill's contributions on ECW. He really was a plethora of knowledge about Perdido.

Anonymous said...

! Yes the Sunshine law should shine it's bright rays in this area also!

Drake Dimitry said...

Yeah in order to actually get access to these beaches we have to have a continuity of responsibility! Thanks Mel!

Mel Pino said...

I know you love that beach, Drake. And I'm sorry about the accident on Gulf Beach. :( It's gonna take a looong time to dig out, my friend.

Mel Pino said...

I know you love that beach, Drake. And I'm sorry about the accident on Gulf Beach. :( It's gonna take a looong time to dig out, my friend.