In part I and II of this series we uncovered the fact that there are dozens of parcels, on the Gulf of Mexico, in Perdido Key, In District 1 of Escambia County Florida where public beach access in perpetuity was supposed to be guaranteed--- for the citizens--- in the original deeds of such properties granted to original owners from the Federal Government. In perpetuity. But that hasn't happened: The opposite has occurred--with citizens being barred behind ominous "no-trespassing" "keep- out" and "private property" signs and armed security to boot in many instances. We also located documentation indicating some county staffers in 2001 knew of this. And we identified at least one property deed recorded as recently as 2005 with the clerk of the court prominently indicating this 75' of easement for public beach access in the transfer. But many other subsequent titles scanned by the legal office apparently do not have this language (or at least we have not been able to locate the original deeds that indicate this language.) These two original posts on these topics have blown up on this blog like gas poured over a fireworks depot and lit with a stick of dynamite; thousands and thousand of hits, unique visits, downloads from all over the country and nearly one hundred comments thus far. Add to this two front page headlines in the hard copy Saturday and Sunday PNJ, multiple stories on the area's media juggernaut WEAR, and every radio station in town reporting on this as well as studio 850 and other Facebook Sites. It is big. In fact, as I have now stated numerous times--this is the biggest government related story in the area in the last 16 years I have served as a public official: Bigger than the school superintendent's DUI, bigger than the Newpoint school scandal where people went to jail. This is bigger and it is growing.
As I continue my research into how this matter, this travesty of deliberate blocking of the public's deed-granted, perpetual access to the beach by some properties at Perdido Key over the years --complete with armed guards and ominous warning signs--was perpetrated on the public--some additional questions are coming up which offer tantalizing clues as to the existance of potentially more institutional knowledge on public access easements on the key.
SO WHAT DOES THE PKA KNOW ABOUT BEACH ACCESS EASEMENTS TODAY?
First of all--the Perdido Key Association is the organization on Perdido Key that has the most institutional knowledge of all things Perdido Key. Their former president, Dick Domurat, knew of the existance of the 75' public beach access--- at least as it pertained at the time to the parcel where the eventual Windemere Condominium would be constructed. Domurat argued strenuously, on behalf of the PKA IN 2000-2001, against the county's density grant for the number of units ultimately approved for that tower. The basis of his challenge was that the presence of a 75' public beach access easement lowered the total lot size, which he felt thereby would necessitate that the county concommitantly reduce the number of dwellings allowed. The PKA knew that then--so did they also know this easement appeared on other lots as we just recently found out? I emailed the current head of PKA, Mr. Charles Krupnick to ask him. Here is my email to him on this topic specifically:
"Good Morning Charles,
In short Charles—this is a big deal and I am going to turn over every rock in order to get to the bottom of the truth. I’d like your help, and the PKA’s help, in doing this as quickly as possible.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation in this endeavor. I hope you have an excellent Sunday.
Sincerely,
District 1 Commissioner"
WHAT DOES THE PKA KNOW ABOUT THE GRAND CARIBBEAN/SANDY KEY "WALKOVER TO NOWHERE"
this is an additional data point I asked the PKA about. It doesn’t make any sense to me at all. Why would Sandy Key EVER
allow county citizens and northern property boundary “neighbor” condo complex
Grand Caribbean the ability to acquire an easement for public access to their
(Sandy Key’s) purportedly “private” beach front? Why would they agree to
this and then subsequently complain about it and attempt to expel those that
use the walkover? It makes no sense but what it could mean is that those
who hammered out this deal KNEW of the existence, potentially, of the 75’
public beach access easement. Otherwise—why would they (Sandy Key) EVER
have allowed the access easement and walkover (by Grand Caribbean and including
the county) in the first place in 2009??????????Sandy Key would have had all
the leverage and say so unless there was something that pushed them which seems
a reasonable assumption absent any formal, publicly known documentation thus
far…..So I sent this email to the current PKA President, Charles Krupnick, this morning:
"Charles,
- Is there a separate
agreement between Grand Caribbean and Sandy Key acknowledging the
existence of a 75’ public beach access easement?
- Is there some other
documented agreement between these two complexes which forces Sandy Key to
allow the visitors/residents of Grand Caribbean (and the public) to use
what they claim is their private beach in front of their complex?
- I have found emails from
Sandy Key HOA presidents and the county from 2015-2016 where the Sandy Key
HOA is apparently complaining about and “kicking-out” non-residents
(including Grand Caribbean residents) who access this beach via the
previously agreed-upon and constructed beach walkover from the 2009
agreement---so the question is why would they allow the walkover to be
constructed in the first place if they (Sandy Key Owners) didn’t intend to
allow and more importantly didn’t HAVE to allow the users of the walkover
to utilize their purportedly “private” beach?
District 1 Commissioner
Escambia Board of County Commissioners"
20 comments:
Huh. Just gets curiouser and curiouser, doesn't it?
All of us trying to pound beach access open down on the Key: THOSE. BEACHES ARE. NOT. PRIVATE. THEY ARE PUBLIC!!!
Most everybody else: If what you're saying was true, everybody would know about it. Duh.
What else does everybody not know about?
Any particular response from Mr. Krupnick aside, there's gonna be a whole lotta "It Wasn't Me" going around...
NSFW (or Sailor Jerry Sunday):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_x6QmuJdms
May I suggest a conversation with my old buddy Dick Domurat is in order.
I can assure you that as a former President of PKA and a major developer on Perdido Key, he will know the intire story plus...he will have the records to back it up.
We owned in Grand Caribbean until last August. When we bought our unit in early 2021, we were told by the seller AND several other owners there that a "gentleman's agreement" had been worked out between Sandy Key and GC for owners and guests of GC to use that walkway. We were also told that an agreement had been worked out between owners of Parasol to allow owners and guests of GC to use the beach behind Parasol as long as visitors stayed beyond Parasol's "private property" sign. At the time there was only one and it was pretty close to their dune line but with plenty of buffer. We loved it. But I was there week before last and there are now FOUR Parasol signs and they go much closer to the water.
I never understood the "gentleman's agreement". I was told by someone at the County in 2018 that that walkway was PUBLIC because it was an easement owned by the county. How did Sandy Key ever come to control that walkway anyway?
Commissioner, please read this:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/EscCitizensWatch/permalink/1837094962992927/
Alice, see my recent comment (this morning) on a below string on Sandy Key. Lots and lots of campaign donations to Doug on the roles. Particularly around the time we appealed to the BCC to keep him from closing Beach Access 1, and Jeff and the other commissioners promised us, publicly, that he could NOT close it without a vote of the Board.
They simply don't know what they don't know. How can legally archived documents such as Plat books be inaccessible to the public? How can they try and charge for "copies" of documents. All title and deed books are and should be archived for public review within a space to review.
Scans can easily be altered. Anyone ever hear of Adobe Professional? Yet the books belong to the citizens and.are.to be kept for review and research.
Alice,
Yes with a link to the County Section Map Id: 35-3S-32-2 very clearly shows a Pedestrian Easement on the eastern edge of Sandy Key Phase-1 and the western edge of Parasol.
it really looks like the easement goes from Sandy Key Drive eastern end to the beach.
Gentlemen's agreements mean nothing as Doug so clearly stated when Vacating many properties that cut citizens off of water access that they had had for years or decades with 'gentlemen's agreements' and actual access ON PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY but he was happy to cut you off because you are out of time and access.
I am now curious about the 'Vacation' on Sandy Key Dr "VACATED BY OR 5238 P 611" on the map.
As Mel said NSFW (or Sailor Jerry Sunday): Shaggy's It Wasn't Me on Youtube
Also, when we purchased in GC, we were told by a board member that GC paid for that wooden boardwalk that was put in after Hurricane Sally. There would be documentation, I'm sure.
Alice Hurst Neal,
Thanks for posting your firsthand information. As far as following that like to the hate chamber facebook site, no thank you. For New Year's I gave up several things, most prominent among them was drinking Diet Coke and visiting that site. Nothing good there, and nobody either. Same twelve or so doing the woodpecker on their keyboards. So thanks but no thanks. If you'd like to simply post the jist of whatever is there after that link here--particularly if it is useful information, I would be appreciative.
Commissioner, I understand your relationship (or lack thereof) with ECW. I have been following it for... well, since forever. I am on that site so I take personal offense to your comment "Nothing good there and nobody either". I am NOT part of the Underhill fan club and never have been. I'm a good person with ENORMOUS passion for Perdido Key and especially public beach access. Much to the annoyance of Doug Underhill, most of my contributions to ECW over the years pertain to public beach access issues. I was born and raised in Pensacola and like you, spent much of my youth on those beaches in Perdido; swimming, fishing, sunning, etc. (I think you and I even attended high school together.)
All of that being said, the link I sent you was to a post made by John Hill on ECW back in August of 2018 about Perdido Key easements. In it, John provides some useful information about the easement between Sandy Key and Parasol. Others provided some interesting bites in the comment section. A "bombshell"? Hardly. But every little detail, no matter how small, is (in my opinion) another piece of a very complex puzzle that is (hopefully) close to being solved.
I cannot begin to express my gratitude to Michael McCormack for this recent discovery.
Commissioner Bergosh is telling stories if he doesn't keep tabs on ECW. He was discussing county business on its sister site this morning using his private account. I hope it's public and no one is blocked. You might want to see what Alice is talking about as it was posted some four years ago. I also don't see any public right of way at Sandy Key East and Parasol.
5:07--not one of my facebook accounts (campaign, personal, or District 1 commissioner) has gone to Escambia Tin Foil Hate Chamber since 12-31-2022. That is a fact. It is one of my resolutions I made for New Years! Nothing good there. Not one thing. My personal account was "tagged" with a question on an OLF-8 facebook site of which I have been a member over the years in my personal capacity as a neighbor right across the street and I engaged and answered a few questions---if that is the "sister-site" of which you speak. Those are the facts, anonymous. Have a great evening!
I’m guessing you have a pretty good idea of how great it would be to get this access back. But just in case, Commissioner Bergosh, THIS WOULD BE SO FREAKIN HUGE!
Since losing the full length of of parking along Johnson Beach road, congestion has been very challenging. Fisherman, surfers, families, all fighting for room to enjoy the beach as they wish. It never should have been like this.
Shame on the isolated, entitled, ‘elites’ in our community who schemed this idea of private beaches.
Patience won’t be easy, La Playa had their security out today, harassing people. Even as there was a navy of surfers out along those shores, enjoying the surf, but also looking to protect the visitors in these condos from any rip currents. These condos will fight, but at this point, they have to know that they’re going to lose. Right?
It should be noted that the walkover that is there now (between Sandy Key and Parasol) is not the original walkover. The current walkover was built after Hurricane Sally and paid for by GC. Parasol was included in the negotiations of the new walkover and requested (insisted?) that the new walkway be narrowed, creating a buffer between Parasol's fence and the walkway. I was told that Sandy Key requested carpeting to "quiet travelers" but currently there is no carpeting.
Grand Caribbean maintains the walkway for the most part.
Commissioner Bergosh, FYI anything that John Hill ever put down on Perdido, regardless of where he wrote it, is worth taking a look at.
Although ECW has primarily been a tool for Douggite disinformation since Jacqueline struck whatever bargain with Doug years ago, and nobody hates that site and what it has wrought more than me, that's no reason to discount any useful information that has been added there over the years. And John's is *always* useful. It was one of the high points of the last five years for me when I called him the other night to give him the good news; we were on the phone quite a while discussing the ins and outs, for once in a happy context.
Years ago, although Doug was already on his disinformation terror there and Jacqueline was his willing handmaiden, along with a whole host of flying monkeys and dupes, there were still a LOT of people putting down actual real information there, trying to combat their program.
One by one, of course, most everybody who was putting down the truth and useful information and fighting against Doug was either kicked off--over 60 that I know personally, at least count--or left off paying any attention to the nonsense of their own accord. (And I can attest that, while it frustrates me people like Alice still don't understand the danger of giving that site the time of day, and people like Michael McCormack *still* have to manage the mis- and disinformation there, I've never witnessed her contributing to the Doug love fest--quite the opposite).
ECW will remain a bane to the community for as long as decent people continue to consider it a useful place to air anything. The damage it has done for a decade now is truly immeasurable. But please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater; if somebody with institutional knowledge such as Alice, who is and has been squarely on the right side of this issue, points you to information from somebody worth reading there, please take a look. It doesn't mean you have to be on there every day reading their slander, lies, and ignorance. John Hill is an encyclopedia of back in the day, and I'm so happy that he is finally seeing his beloved beaches opening back up to the public. He's definitely a source worth consulting.
I miss John Hill's contributions on ECW. He really was a plethora of knowledge about Perdido.
! Yes the Sunshine law should shine it's bright rays in this area also!
Yeah in order to actually get access to these beaches we have to have a continuity of responsibility! Thanks Mel!
I know you love that beach, Drake. And I'm sorry about the accident on Gulf Beach. :( It's gonna take a looong time to dig out, my friend.
I know you love that beach, Drake. And I'm sorry about the accident on Gulf Beach. :( It's gonna take a looong time to dig out, my friend.
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