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Wednesday, December 1, 2021

Could All 5 Members of the Escambia Board of County Commissioners be Running AGAIN, Together, Next August?

Like the Horror Show Creature that refuses to die--it appears as if the failed language from last year's election bill, the language that would make all single-member district commissioners elected in 2020 statewide run for re-election again two years early in 2022, has been resurrected again for the upcoming legislative session!  Just imagine it:  All 5 Escambia Commissioner's Districts up for election/re-election simultaneously in 2022!  fun times, fun times!


The answer is yes, we might possibly all be running together next year.  Imagine that?  Gomer Pyle might say: "Surprise, surprise, surprise!"  --It's all because the horror show monster we thought we killed last year is stirring and moving.  Just like Jason Voorhees who has died and come back to life to wreak havoc, destruction, chaos, and death in 9 subsequent installments of "Friday the 13th"--it looks like the monster's not dead and we all might be campaigning again two years sooner than we thought.

This is because an onerous new bill is in "drafting" over in Tallahassee.  It appears that it will be filed iminently, as the draft made yesterday's deadline for legislation to be filed.

A bird whispered in my ear yesterday that this could be coming, again.  A similar provision was attached and then subsequently deleted from last year's session's elections train bill.  I've verified that this is all true.  The bill sponsor feels it is entirely appropriate.  "We have to run next year after our redistricting-why shouldn't they [commissioners statewide that serve in single-member districts]..was his response when asked about it yesterday by a third party.

So here we go again!  😁

Essentially--i'm told this bill is being crafted based upon last session's failed provision that requires County Commissioners who serve in single-member districts to run for re-election again in the first election post redistricting even when such a commissioner is only part way through a currently earned/won, constitutionally defined 4-year term.  It slices terms in half if it is passed ---and also if it passes legal muster (more on that thorny issue, below).

Ostensibly--the theory is this:  If a district is re-arranged after an election, a potentially significant number of voters "may" spend several years represented by a commissioner for whom they did not vote.

Seems like a fair enough argument, on its face.

But wait---if you make a commissioner who fairly won a four year election in a district that had to give up population due to growth-------and if such a commissioner loses the subsequent election 2-years into his 4-year term--wouldn't that serve to disenfranchise those who voted to elect this commissioner in the first place?  Wouldn't it be a "taking from the commissioner who won a 4-year term, not a 2-year term?"  Wouldn't  it serve to actually disenfranchise more voters than the smaller number (if any) who may have been "re-districted" into a commissioner's district for whom such voters did not vote?  I know it's confusing.  I know it is a lot to digest.

But examined differently--the talking point about not allowing someone to serve who some or most constituents didn't vote for can be systematically rebuked and decimated quite easily.  Our nation was led by President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 2001--a guy who never won a majority of the nation's popular vote.  Neither 1992 nor 1996.  In both of those cases--he simply won a plurailty of the popular vote and then subsequently the electoral college.  Betcha didn't know that, did you?

And there are other examples.

People move all the time and are represented by folks they didn't vote for.

Close elections leave up to 49.9% of voters under the leadership of those that they didn't support.

Office holders resign and sometimes years of an officeholder's term are filled by a political appointee (hack, potentially) for whom NOBODY voted....

So yeah--that failed argument is a feckless smokescreen.  But bad ideas sometimes come out of agenda pushing and make it to the finish line in state legislatures---even Tallahassee (gasp).  

Ofterntimes the finish line doesn't line up with the legislature's chambers or the governor's mansion --it  winds up at a courthouse chamber where a smart judge looks at it for what it is and strikes it down. (thankfully we do have checks and balances still, after all.  for now.  we hope. )  

This idea is a bad one, and if passed by the legislature (50-50 shot--if it gets traction in the Senate)--it will face an immediate challenge in the court.

Because numerous and ominous are the constitutional ramifications of such a reckless idea.

Simpletons will exclaim "But the State Senators have their terms cut in half and have to re-run in after redistricting--so should county commissioners!!"  But wait--that concept of running after a redistricting is a known fact of reality to every senator already----as it is codified in the constitution, (Article III, Section 15, here)

County Commissioners have no such language stipulating they be re-elected two years early after each decennial redistricting--so such a change, in many peoples' opinions, would necessitate a change to the constitution to enact. here (article VIII, sec. 1 (e)).

So why make this change this year?  That's a question I have heard.

This past year with COVID-19 mandates and lockdowns--several counties and many school boards found themselves at odds with Tallahasse leadership.  

Perhaps this is a way to change the composition of some boards? This is just a guess on my part, but maybe it is true?

Maybe some legislator doesn't like some county official and wants to exert pressure?

Could it be some sort of juvenile "Sabre rattling?" 

Oh, I know, I know!  It's those (XXXXX's) over in Brevard County!!

Maybe some legislator that wants to run for county commissioner in 2022 when he terms out doesn't want to wait until the current commissioner in that district (coincidentally a long-serving incumbent in a single-member district) leaves office in 2024?  Maybe this legislator wants to force the issue in 2022?

Who knows the real reason--right?

But whatever it is-- it ain't a slam dunk.   Not by any stretch. There's no certainty this would pass.  It would create a lot of gnashing of teeth statewide, and would face resistance.

And if it did pass--it would invite chaos, consternation, and a host of litigation and more burdens on Supervisors of Elections around the state---not to mention the check writers who fund campaigns locally--they wouldn't like this I'd venture to guess......

Would it be GOOD if it passed?  Well, I guess that depends upon whom it is you are asking.

If you ask that eccentric tuna fisherman who nets and kills 100 porpoises for every one tuna he harvests-----yeah HE might like this new idea in Tallahassee.

Similarly--if you asked the banana republic commando squad that killed 27 hostages in order to take the one kidnapper "into custody"--yeah, those guys might agree.

But most of us who are watching this scenario unfold see it, know it, and smell it for what it is.

  

This proposed bill smells worse than dead fish on a Tampa Area Beach after a bout of red-tide...


It's political machinations and a power play move that smells worse than dying, rotting fish on a red-tide-inundated Clearwater, Pinnelas County Beach.....And like the annoying, smelly problem of a fish kill---I have confidence this bad bill will get "cleaned up."  If not, we will all wallow in it together.  Yay!

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

This would be too good to be true!!

Anonymous said...

If I heard the clinking and clacking of political realignment correctly-- now that guy in the mask would be Stoberger, (not mair as the so called political expert spells his name) backed by the guy living in a camper in violation of the LDC with the goat killer trying trying to unseat you if you all have to rerun.


If they do get the legislative delegate boundary changed you and trailer trash can run there.
Of course you all want Brown on the board. Ray Charles in glasses can see that.

Might want to do your homework about the no trespassing sign before they try to snowball you there. FEMA did put the berms in and the beach was supposed to be RESTORED. Will see how you are in the town halls. PKA guy is all fired up.

Salzman does take provocative pictures and posts them though. Nickname her camel toes.

But if they bring home the money, that's fine with conservative me, I'd rather see that than the tattooed, spiked, pink haired look myself -- If they all have to exhibition themselves on social media for some reason,

It's not good for government but worth the entertainment.

Anonymous said...

I hear Marlette sharpening his crayons in the background also.

Hornets nest buzzing too..

Don't let it go your head though, pretty slick not posting the agenda review video..

Anonymous said...

and Childers??? Loni digging in her heels and sticking her fingers in her ears.

also one for Pino. from the Bible KJV.

"... it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 9:5 (KJV)"

Escambia Politics, never a dull moment

Anonymous said...

*stroberger

not burger either.

[It should be noted that You are the one who offered the longer MSBU.]



Anonymous said...

People are so easily fooled on the rogers underhill facebook page. one complains about the traffic and he won't tell them, he killed the four lane. one complains about build build build but hasn't watched you vote no on development, that you suggest concurrency and impact fees and to not raise taxes, raise the TDT, look at MSTUs. they want to raise taxes, as well as the d4 rep

they did do a good job about kicking anybody off that sees through them on ecw.

rogers must have just figured out the hashtag thing although it's not going to twatter..

Don't tell them actually facebook now allows people could comment there, even if not members, but I don't because they try to call the police and sue people that don't tow the line.
True Bear tangled Underhill up in court, but Underhill needed to be stopped because he was relentless trying to control the facebook and Pensacola News Journal narrative.

I wonder if the PNJ have discarded him now. Jim Little, AKA twinkle in the eye for Underhill seems to have reported the redistricting fairly.

DD is defanged now and really doesn't matter.

Maybe you all could send him a memo if he didn't get it last night.

Does he call you "My Commissioner" now, or does he call Steven "My Commissioner" now?

Talk about a representative with no constituency. Karma dude.

and Alex don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, stating opinion as fact is actually a little funny to watch. We used to call them brown nosers when we came across those types.

OK
enough clear eyed commentary from the cheap seat.

Anonymous said...

Here is your pied piper leading the charge:
"Douglas Underhill
Alex Arduini it will be even more interesting if all five commissioners have to stand for re-election. That may be our best chance of ever creating change in Escambia county"
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Anonymous said...

Plus they are all over the Childer's letter..Other counties have 401a and set the rates..Hope you get a good judge that can interpret the law and authority of home rule and wonder woman can tuck her truth lasso back in its sheath. With board members like Underhill who needs enemies. He loves his adoring crowd who is apparently unable to see he is a miserable failure as a public servant whose only interest is to cause problems. He can't stop for even one day. NPD.

Anonymous said...

Underhill was Censured for threatening the county attorney about the 401a yet he is publicly doing it again on facebook ECW today 12/3/2021. Why do you all condone that?

Anonymous said...

December 3, 2021 at 2:59 PM
The agenda review video is on the You tube on Myescambia.

Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD0jgxCxd5Y

People should listen to that. Especially the first few minutes.

Yes Rogers and ECW put out very bad info and in conjuction with an elected official it has just been a toxic influence on the county.

And even simply blaming things on the BOCC when they should go to the official web page and the org chart and learn to deal with staff and employees. Some people just like to complain.

I've noticed Fire has stopped trying to get things done from that avenue on facebook.

People don't understand civics and this is a freebie to anyone reading here.

Anonymous said...

Good Blog article with links to follow. I appreciate your info.

I Oppose the seated commissioners having to rerun. A simple paragraph add on is not so simple. Proposed committee bill 21-05. Very immature thought process in adding that last paragraph.

It does look similar to the ignorance pervasive at all levels in thought about our government though.

For instance nationally Trump was elected on 2016 and the Clinton crew should have, gotton over it. (They didn't)

Now Biden was installed, so the rest of the intelligent people, had to, get over it.

That how representative constitutional republic is supposed to work.

You are right the simpletons are already for this, some for emotional malinformed reasons.

The way our forefathers set up this government, knowing people argue, fight and squabble was to have secret trusted ballots, respect the election, take turns and move on.

Social media is attempting to undermine this type of government.

All I need to know I learned in kindergarten.

Draw straws, take turns, shut up and get along.

We have work to do.

Anonymous said...

Because her blatant participation in the money grab that failed is clear to everyone who sees it!

Anonymous said...

Underhill is issuing public statements today also about the same thing the board censured him for. What is the next step available to the board.

Anonymous said...

You should not tolerate the public statements being issued after a censure into the new year. Call a special meeting. https://www.dummies.com/careers/business-communication/roberts-rules-special-meetings/

Anonymous said...

Aduini
December 4, 2021 at 4:23 PM

Going to the ethics committee for an opinion is her job.

"The everybody sees it" is not only faulty reasoning, it is a lie.

Anonymous said...

One has to wonder about the IQ of the people who listen to Under the Hill.

Think of this? If Dildo Doug is so sure Barry and/or Alison Rogers behavior is/was unethical and gasp criminal, then why doesn't DD file an ethics complaint himself instead of hide under skirts and his apparent boy toy and throw out accusations. Because he is a weak pansy bully misusing his position. BECAUSE this is what it would be.

Let me spell it out:

He signs an Ethic Complaint, files it to the Ethics Committee that Ms A Rogers and S Barry went to NOTE -- that said SAME ETHICS COMMITTEE THAT issued the opinion ALREADY that it was OK for them to put it to a vote about the 401a. Duh.

What kind of moron falls for his absurd accusations?

Still A. Rogers should file an ethics complaint on HIM for continuing the harassment and online defamation AFTER a VALID CENSURE of the BOCC. Perhaps you should all call for his removal this time.